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Dec 19, 2013

Getting into debt IR

The motivation of investors determines whether they buy bonds or shares – as well as the kind of investor relations they need

The clue to the distinction between bondholder IR and shareholder IR lies in the very words. ‘Bond’ suggests commitment, with echoes of phrases like ‘my word is my bond’; a share is merely a slice, a portion. It doesn’t have the same resonance. No one – rightly or wrongly – accuses bondholders of being gamblers; no one charges debt investors with short-termism. Day traders and short-sellers deal in shares, not bonds. Don’t they?

Like so much in life, however, it’s all a bit more complicated than that. If we restrict the discussion to corporate bonds, for example, the distinctions are all about levels of risk. There may always be the possibility of default on the part of an issuer but that’s a lot less likely in the case of the A-rated debt of blue-chip companies. Junk bonds, on the other hand, often move in tandem with equity markets, indicating that this is a point where the risk differential is small.

It’s also small at the other end of the scale: the shares of a blue-chip, dividend-paying utility, for instance, may be deemed almost as safe as a bond – and almost as unexciting. Take National Grid, the UK firm that owns and operates the electricity transmission system in England and Wales, runs transmission networks in Scotland, and owns and operates electricity distribution networks in the US. Hardly a fly-by-night business. And while it doesn’t have the growth prospects of the latest high-tech social media firm, it does offer a reliable dividend of 5 percent or more on its equity.

But no matter how safe and sound National Grid’s shares may be, plenty of investors prefer its bonds. And for John Dawson, head of investor relations in London (see National debtholders, below), there’s no question the two groups of investors require different kinds of IR; they have different goals, even in a company like his where the profile of each instrument is more alike than at many other companies.

Bonding with investors

Mark Wilson, a seasoned BNY Mellon man based at Canary Wharf in London, has spent much of his career in the ADR division. But a couple of years back he switched to debt, sitting, as he puts it, ‘between the issuer and the investor, providing the financial infrastructure.’ His experience is that corporates doing a bond issue every five years or so do only minimal IR in relation to their debt, ‘maybe a roadshow with the investment bank’ at the time of the issue. ‘But repeat issuers – typically banks and utilities – are more likely to have a specific debt IR program,’ he says. ‘You need to cultivate your debt investors – keep them warm – if you need to issue on a regular basis.’

Keeping them warm requires knowing who they are, which isn’t always easy even in equity markets, and especially in jurisdictions with bearer rather than registered shares. But bonds are all bearer instruments so identification of holders is even more difficult, and tracking ownership in the secondary market is virtually impossible.

That’s one reason Nexum ID set up shop early this year in London. Massi Gironi, who leads the business, learnt the ropes at Thomson Reuters, where she ran the European debt IR division. At Nexum ID they provide analyses of debt investors by geography and type but also by behavior, in order to build ownership profile trends so that the investor relations effort can be targeted as effectively as possible. And the firm undertakes debt investor audits for its clients, typically in preparation for corporate activity, new issues, meetings and roadshows.

It’s all in the interests of improving proactive engagement and includes an online tool for recording and maintaining interactions with both actual and potential investors. The great value of building strong relationships with debt investors is the greater likelihood it gives companies of being able to go back to known investors to refinance relatively cheaply.

Different stakeholder, same effort

So how is all this different from the equivalent effort expended on shareholder engagement? Probably the single biggest difference results from the divergent goals of the two groups.

For typical debt investors, the most important thing to consider is the soundness of the company they are lending to. After all, they want first and foremost to be sure of getting their money back – albeit with interest. Obviously, equity investors don’t want to lose their money, either, but they are more focused on the possibility of growth – or reward – rather than security.

Of course, this too is an over-simplification of the situation and one that doesn’t apply to the kind of bond investors that have been tempted by the better yields of emerging market debt or junk bonds. It’s undoubtedly the case that bondholders come in a range of styles and colors and companies issuing lots of debt need to know who’s who.

Meeting of minds

That thought is fundamental for Katerina Papamichael and Damian Watkin, who run DF King Worldwide debt IR in London. They focus mainly on bond transactions and debtholder ID. ‘We’re looking at who’s important [among the holders] and how the holders are changing,’ explains Watkin. ‘We’ve been doing this for six or seven years and it’s true that more companies are now looking at it, although it remains a relative rarity in Europe.’

Watkin describes the companies doing most in this area as ‘the more forward-looking ones’, noting that direct relationships with debtholders prove particularly helpful when times are hard. Take the credit crunch, when times in the bond market were about as hard as they could be. KPN, a regular borrower, effectively reopened the market after the period of closure brought on by the financial meltdown. It could do that because of its relationships with bond investors, built on trust that in turn is built on a company consistently delivering what it says it will.

But Watkin advises against ‘assuming bondholders don’t also want to hear about corporate strategy or meet management. They want to hear the story directly, too, and look into the eyes of the CFO or chief executive.’ That means that while treasury might be more involved in debt roadshows, such events will still need to offer one-on-ones with senior management members.

There are also times when it’s appropriate – at least for blue chips like these – to bring shareholders and debtholders together, however divergent their aspirations. The wisdom of this depends largely on whether there’s a risk of confusing either group by emphasizing an aspect of the company’s story it doesn’t usually hear. An exciting plan to venture into new strategic territory may frighten debtholders, for example, who may see it as taking on unnecessary risk. Conversely, the technical and financial detail of a bondholder presentation may leave a shareholder asking why the company is bereft of ideas.

In either case, investor relations still depends on depth of knowledge about the company and its finances, as well as on strong relationships. But there is a clear need to tailor messages differently because of the fundamentally different motivation of equity and debt investors. ‘It’s a glib phrase but the fundamental difference between debt investors and equity investors is that equity investors are greedy, debt investors are fearful,’ says Dawson. In other words, investors buy National Grid bonds because of the security of its balance sheet, ‘not because we’re Apple.’

No one accuses bondholders of being excitable. ‘Equity investors are definitely more fun,’ says one IRO, who is shy about being identified but unequivocal in his views: ‘I don’t want to say debt investors are boring – but they’re definitely more sober.’

National debtholders

‘We issue about £3 bn ($4.9 bn) of debt a year and currently have £28 bn of debt outstanding,’ says John Dawson of National Grid. ‘So we’re a massive bond issuer – we’re probably now the largest non-financial issuer in the UK, which means we have to be pretty systematic and structured in our approach.’

Dawson doesn’t directly control the debt IR; that’s handled by treasurer Malcolm Cooper, although Dawson’s deputy, Andy Mead, is ex-treasury, ‘so having his expertise in the IR team is very valuable.’ Cooper has a dedicated team of three people responsible for managing relations with debt investors and with the ratings agencies, which is unusual for a UK company but is explained by the scale of National Grid’s activity in the bond market.

‘Companies doing a bond issue once every two or three years don’t need to worry too much about their general reputation in the debt market; they can throw a discrete marketing effort at a one-off issue then forget about the bond market for a while,’ Dawson explains. ‘But when you’re issuing as much as we are, the general reputation is much more important; it’s better to have an ongoing dialogue with investors rather than having to market each bond individually.’

The members of the debt IR team are treasurers primarily, rather than IR specialists. ‘They’re not communicators and they don’t understand the company as well as an IRO would, but for debt investors that’s less important,’ notes Dawson. And the two IR teams do come together, with members of the equity team going on the road with the debt team, as well as members of management. At times, bondholders will come to shareholder meetings, too.

Of course, a large part of the debt IR effort is not with the bondholders but with the ratings agencies that have so much influence over them and that charge the companies for rating them. In National Grid’s case, Fitch, S&P and Moody’s all provide ratings on the company, which enjoys an A- rating – high for a utility that’s not government-backed.



TD takes to the debt road

Two or three years ago, Canada’s TD Bank decided it needed to get its name better known among non-Canadian fixed-income investors. The result? Rudy Sankovic, head of IR, has done a lot of traveling – to the US, Europe, Asia and Australia – together with people from the treasury department. ‘We’ve held about 100 meetings with fixed-income investors this year, about 85 last year,’ he reports. ‘And around 70 percent of those have been outside Canada.’

The location of these meetings makes a difference, and not just in terms of the nationality of the audience, because TD is so well known in the domestic market, so relatively unknown beyond it, although that’s less true of the US. ‘So if we’re talking to Canadian fixed-income investors, the role of IR is minimal; we’re really talking about the structure of the deal,’ Sankovic explains. ‘But outside Canada we’re telling the TD story, talking about our strategy and its execution, our culture, the management team, and so on.’

There is also a difference between the bank’s equity and fixed-income IR, notes Sankovic. The goal for equity IR is to get investors comfortable with the strategy and the execution of that strategy. ‘It’s more about growth,’ Sankovic explains. ‘Fixed-income investors are listening more for how safe the company is.’

This is partly why ratings agencies are so important: to provide reassurance to the risk-averse. The IR team leaves relations with the four agencies that rate TD to treasury: ‘It’s very detailed,’ says Sankovic. ‘They review us extensively once a year and we provide them with a level of detail we’d never disclose to investors.’

In terms of the relative importance of investor groups, TD Bank’s decision to upgrade the seniority of people dealing with its fixed-income investors demonstrates its view on this. ‘In the past we had a fixed-income specialist,’ Sankovic explains. ‘But we decided we needed to up our game. So I now handle it myself, along with my vice president.’



Hybrid IRO: a foot in both camps

Asked where he ‘sits’ in GE’s structure, Vikas Anand, the company’s deputy treasurer and head of fixed-income IR, laughs: ‘I have offices in both departments – treasury and IR; and I report to the treasurer and also to head of investor relations Trevor Schauenberg. It works for us!’

Anyway, the question may be largely academic given that Anand spends about 60 percent of his time not in the office at all, but traveling round the world meeting fixed-income investors. Indeed, he and his colleague, Lisa Capodici, go to Asia twice a year, Europe two or three times a year, Australia and Canada once a year each, and of course all over the US. ‘We do more than 400 meetings a year, mostly one-on-ones with credit research analysts and portfolio managers,’ he reports. He and Capodici are not responsible for relationships with the credit ratings agencies, however: ‘We have someone in treasury who looks after that.’

Anand himself came to his current role via a number of others at GE, initially as a financial planning analyst at an Indian subsidiary 15 years ago. After a range of other financial and corporate jobs, he moved to equity IR in 2011, focused on the US shareholder base. Then in the fall of 2012 he switched to debt IR for both GE and GE Capital.

GE Capital is by far the bigger issuer of these two, at $30 bn-$35 bn of debt a year, in multiple currencies, ‘in effect matching our corporate footprint.’ It’s a truly global role for Anand, which makes it demanding but, as he says: ‘My long tenure with GE helps – especially because it includes both finance and broader aspects. It helps to have a real understanding of the company.’

Janet Dignan

Janet Dignan is a graduate of Otago University in New Zealand, where she read philosophy. From 1979 to1982 she was head of information at Linklaters, with responsibility for internal and external information resources for its offices in London, Hong...
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